You can print these comments (doubt you will) but not my email address.
Wow, what veiled "reverse psychology"
...Ed,
believe us, we wouldn't pass up the opportunity to show how the Mormon mind
works.
I checked out your site to see what it was about but couldn't get beyond the
first two paragraphs (giving the premise of the site).
I figured that if you get that wrong, what can be expected with the rest of the
site.
Yes, missionaries of Jehovah's Witnesses and The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints have some things in common--they travel two-by-two and are
usually dressed nicely--but that is pretty much where the line is drawn. Their
doctrines are different. Their approaches are different. To associate the two as
similar or the same (especially that they are both cults) is to further mystify
the truth about either, which is the opposite of what this site purports to do.
Well, Ed, we associate them because
they are pretty much the only groups going door-to-door to Christian's homes,
and GIVEN (not "giving") the "premise of the site" as presented by our
name, "Defending Your Doorstep", they are similar. They both also claim
the Christian church fell into apostasy after the disciples and both also had
leaders claiming God was using them to restore the "truth"...far from merely
traveling in pairs and wearing nice clothes...wouldn't you say?
Picks up from the previous page here...
"Mormon" missionaries are taught to clearly communicate who they are and their
purpose there. Their message is unique among the Christian faith, as was
Christ's was among the Jewish faith.
...as was the Muslim message, as was the message of Jim
Jones, and was message of David Koresh...
One of the largest problems I see today with Christianity is the lack of an
agreed upon definition of what it is to be a Christian. If you use the
definition that a Christian is one who not only believes in Christ (that He is
the Savior of all mankind, the prophesied Messiah, the Son of God) and tries to
pattern his own life after His and His teachings, then many of the "mainstream"
Christians would be just as outcast from the ranks as you perceive simply
labeling someone as a "cultist" is supposed to.
Like what? Be specific.
Differences in tenets and doctrines separate a lot of the Christian sects. Yet,
I would gladly call anyone a fellow brother or sister in the gospel of Jesus
Christ and a Christian who seeks Christ.
I have never come across an argument that claims to give evidence that the
Mormon faith is false that can come close to convincing me of what the real
truth of the matter is as I can to when the Holy Spirit teaches and testifies to
me. Unfortunately, the Bible
tells us to test all things according to the scriptures, not by praying for a
spiritual testimony. What does Jeremiah 17:9, Proverbs 28:26 and Matthew
15:19-20 tell us about how trustworthy the leadings of our heart are?
Sad it is to see a Christian converted by "logic" and "thought" and deny the
power of the "Spirit". No one's
denying the power of the Spirit - it's just that you've got Him doing things He
never indicated He would do. How else did the original Christians
know the Jesus of Nazareth was who he said he was? Certainly His miracles didn't
convert, for thousands fed by few baskets of fish and loaves of bread left Him
when the food was gone. See,
here is why you need to read your BIBLE
-
Luke 19:37, John 10:25, John 10:38, John 14:11, Acts 2:22 tell you about Jesus
and His miracles and what they meant. As far as logic and reason - did the
Apostles EVER ONCE tell potential converts to pray for a spiritual testimony or
did they reason from the scriptures?
Acts
17:2, 17, 18:4, 19 will answer that for you. Acts 17:10 tells us the
proper way to check someone's message to see whether or not it is from God.
And we read in John, chapter 6, that when Jesus taught “Except ye eat the flesh
of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my
flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the
last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.” What some
of his disciples must have perceived as Jesus teaching cannibalism (little did
they know with their faithless perspective) for we read that “from that time
many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.”
What's your point?
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As a result of this “apostasy”, Christ voiced a concern about whether of not His
apostles (the twelve) would also leave when he asked them if they too would also
go away. But Peter spoke the truth: "Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the
words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ,
the Son of the living God.” (John 6: 68-69)
And how did Peter “know” that Jesus was the Christ. Was it because of the
different doctrines He preached that others couldn’t accept?
No Christ said it Himself as recorded by Matthew.
“(Christ) saith unto them, But whom say aye• that I am? And Simon Peter answered
and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and
said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not
revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 16:15-17)
Absolutely true!
God must prepare someone to receive Jesus as Lord - but God is not
responsible to OVERCOME someone mystically to show them what is true and
what is not true - which is what you have Him doing. When Jesus' was
tempted he set forth an example as to how we are to address temptations and
determining what is right and wrong - each and every time, He turned to the
scriptures (Luke 4). The Bereans followed His example and the Apostles did
as well by "reasoning from the Scriptures".
You can draw the any analogy between the pattern of Christ’s original apostles
(the chief disciples) and those who find the truth in way other than
argumentation. We don't
understand that sentence.![]()
He Book of Mormon states it clearly in the end of the book:
And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask
God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true;
and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in
Christ, he will manifest the truth• of it unto you, by the power of the Holy
Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good
denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is. And ye may know that he is, by
the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the
power of God; for he worketh by power, according to the faith of the children of
men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever.
That being said, the apologists of the Mormon faith have provided much more
logic in their explanations than I have ever seen in sites like yours.
Really? Great! Get
them to write us back, will you? But then again, that is now how
one is converted to the truth, is it?
Well, it's how Christians
are converted to Christ...(Acts 17:11)
Faithfully yours.
Ed
Hey Ed - we've written you twice AND posted your rant - how 'bout writing us back (doubt you will)
Congratulations - you are person
number
to make it all the way through Ed's letter.